Coping with Covid-19 E34 – Transcript

Ben 0:02
Welcome to the breakaway entrepreneur podcast where master business coach Janet Fish and her special guests explore the characteristics and traits that lead entrepreneurs to success. Get ready for real conversations of what it takes to overcome real challenges and break away from your competition. here’s your host, Janet Fish.

Janet Fish 0:27
What a delight This episode was, I got to sit down with three women that I not only admire, but I cherish as friends. We have a frank, thought provoking and hopefully uplifting discussion about coping with the covid 19 pandemic. I know you’ll walk away from this episode, with some things you can do right away to see the silver lining in what has been an unprecedented abnormal time in our lives. I hope you enjoy our chat. And browning Boyd and Arlene coats. Welcome to the breakaway entrepreneur podcast, this is kind of a special edition, I have brought together some of the most wonderful and empathetic and intelligent and lovely women that I know. Because I myself was feeling a little, I don’t know, I guess we’re all kind of a little out of sorts. For me, I did a podcast a couple of weeks ago, and I called it pause because I needed to take a break, I was gonna edit it, it was a Thursday. And as we’ve experienced, it was hot. That was ash coming from the sky. And you know, it’s been like that for the last three or four weeks. So we’ll talk about that too. But I was sitting down to edit a podcast, and I just couldn’t. And I just like I had to just say I got to take a break. And so I needed to take a pause. And I did. And I just did a little short little episode on that. But I think that what I’m hearing from a lot of people, and I think I’m feeling myself is this has been going on for six months or a very long time. And now we’re getting into the colder months. So we know that that’s going to affect our ability to sit outside and eat and do whatever be outside. And I think for a lot of us and for me in particular, I realized that we’re in this for a long haul for the long haul. I mean, in March, I thought oh, well, it’ll be a couple of months, and then we’ll be back. And, and for all indications that does not look like that’s gonna be the case. So I just want to first check in with everybody and see where they are. And then I want to just have a conversation about photos. How because there’s a conversation about how you’re dealing with it and some insights into how to deal with it and, and how we can really utilize this time in a way that we capitalize on it. But also that we plan for how our new normal is going to look and how we we thrive not only personally but also in our businesses. So I’m just going to go as I see it on the screen. So I’m going to start with you. And just a little check in on, you know how you are and how you’re coping with it. And yeah, just just to check in,

Anne Browning 3:14
I was doing very well in the beginning. And I thought, well, this is going to give me a great deal of time to pursue a business that I had in the past that I wanted to resurrect. So I was very happy and was able to sit outside and get out of stuff and go for walks. And over the last month with the heat, and the ash and the smoke. It’s been and then also it’s like you were saying, Janet, there’s in the back of my mind, I’m thinking as we finally get out of the heat and the ash and the smoke, we’re going to run into colder weather. And I’m starting, I was starting to feel last week very anxious about it. And I have a question that I’ll ask myself, if nothing changes, how am I going to be happy? And that was the question I said to myself Alright, if nothing changes, and it doesn’t appear that a whole lot is going to change. I mean obviously the weather Thank you Lord has cleared up a bit so I can get outside I can breathe a bit. But as far as the COVID and business and things like that, it’s a it’s not going to go back to what it was. I don’t know if it’ll ever go back to

Earlene Coats 4:42
exactly what it was

Anne Browning 4:45
and and certainly isn’t going to happen anytime soon. And so business wise so it has been good. I’ve joined some networking groups that I’ve and some also some classes. I’m learning how to Read Hebrew, which I’ve always wanted to do. And so those type of things have been interesting to me. So I don’t feel as anxious this week. I think a lot of it is just the fact that the last two days I’ve been able to go outside the army


So I think that’s where I am today. I’m good, you know, asked me last week, it wouldn’t have been quite the same answer. So I’m probably most people

Janet Fish 5:27
well, and I want to pursue many of the things that you’ve talked about more in more depth. But first, let’s just kind of everybody check into your next because you’re next on my screen.

Dot Boyd 5:39
So overall, I think I do really well, I think I’ve adapted and been pretty flexible to the whole process of staying home. And as we’ve talked about, before, since I’ve worked from home for years, that piece of it has been normal. But much of my work has changed. Because I’m not out in the community, I’m not out, you know, working directly with seniors as much or senior communities. And, you know, giving presentations and speaking, you know, engagement. So, that piece of it has changed, but in terms of like my internal workings of kind of day to day, things, you know, I think I’ve adapted well, and most days, I’ve been Alright, I’ve had some downtime, some down moments. And, you know, or when other people’s really traumatic stories have really hit me hard. Because I’m very empathic that way. So I, I know that and I just accept, just sort of accept it like, Okay, I’m gonna feel it all, and how am I gonna manage that? So, and I and I wrote my, in my newsletter, last week, I got pretty personal. And I talked about resilience, which I have done on Facebook. And you know, my, my parents were very resilient. And the things that they went through during World War Two and after, you know, when they came to this country. I, you know, I think they instilled that in my siblings and me, so I, I feel very resilient. I have the resilient gene, I guess. And I that helps. It doesn’t mean I don’t feel low sometimes and very close to tears, even right now talking about it. But generally speaking, I am going with resilient. Awesome.

Janet Fish 7:28
How about you, Arlene.

Earlene Coats 7:31
I’m doing well. And as you asked that question, it causes me to pause and realize that one of the things that by nature comes very naturally for me is I kind of go with the flow. So the change to a new normal, didn’t really rock my world in many ways. And it in lots of ways, opened up all the possibilities of the networking that’s happening across the nation and new groups that I get to go play with that I didn’t have access to easily before. And so on that level, it’s it’s been really good. But I also happen to live in a house with five others where we’re in fairly close quarters. And there are those days they know the youngest, the two year old is really being impacted. And it hit me a couple weeks ago, because everyone else was getting to go out somewhere that two old granddaughters until the smoke came in are getting to go to soccer. couple times they were doing distance learning practice, or distance, or distance, social distancing practice and other things. But he was the one person in the entire household that wasn’t getting to go anywhere. So in his world, he was going into the meltdown mode. And so it was a matter of taking that time and getting him took him on a walk one day, and he got the chance to go for a ride in the car. For him, he wants to go on a car ride and he just hadn’t had that he wasn’t getting to go in car rides. And so that was so watching some of those dynamics and where there is the emotional side of those around me. I think that that’s the part that in many cases can be as draining as and impacting as as it is for me. But I was reminded of something that I heard from someone else. And that was this is a time that we can either focus on discouragement or dreaming. And so you can either place say in that discouraged place, or be there for a minute and then turn and turn that into what’s possible and go into more of the dreaming side. So that’s been a lot more of my focus is looking at the what’s possible side as opposed to the the discouragement and and the impact of everything. Else.

Janet Fish 10:00
Yeah. And so I want to talk about that about the negative things that we’ve been that we’ve experienced. I think we’ve all experienced some negative things with all of this. But I’d like to really start with, for me personally and Arlene, touched on it, and so did and n dot ice. So now that we’re zooming like zoom networking, which we didn’t do a lot of that before, I mean, I did zoom calls, but we didn’t do zoom networking and get into breakout rooms and, and interact with people. That has been a huge opening of new opportunity for my business. And I’ve gotten a bunch of clients from breakout rooms in zoom calls. And as their lead said, you can talk to people all over the world, you can talk to people all over the country. And I would submit, and I’ve said this before, if I go to a networking meeting, I go to a chamber meeting or I go to a meeting, I can easily talk to dot because I know dot and I’m comfortable with her. Or I can sit in the corner, but and just not engage anybody new. But if I get stuck in a zoom, and I want to stay stuck, that’s not the right, what if I get the opportunity to go to a zoom call a Zoom Room with two other people that I’ve never met, and I really have to engage with them. I mean, for me, that’s just been a great opportunity to expand my ability to network. And I’m just curious, you guys, have you guys experienced that and what other things, what other doors have opened up for you that are new, that weren’t there before this whole thing happened to us

and wants to go,

Anne Browning 11:43
I’ll speak to it. Um, it that is definitely true. In my coaching practice, in the past, I have been able to connect with people all over the world. I’ve been fortunate to do that. But it’s been on the telephone, it hasn’t been in this type of a format so that you can actually see somebody and I like that format a lot. So and when you were talking about networking, networking, and everybody here on this zoom call knows that about me, when I go into a large room, put me in front of a room, I’m fine. But put me in a large room. And I have to network and talk to people that I don’t know and think of things to say, I’ll find the person I know. Whereas just exactly what you said, Janet, in some of the opportunities that I’ve had recently to be in breakout rooms with people from all across the not just the country, but across the world, and ideas that they have given me. And there’s a woman in West Virginia who does similar work that I do around grief and loss, and she and I are going to be putting something together, I would never have met her never, ever have never had it not been for this. So yeah, there’s a lot of wonderful opportunities.

Janet Fish 13:09
And I’ll they’ll go to next. But joint venture opportunities, I have also found that I never would have found before this. And so that’s I hadn’t even thought about that until you set it in. But there are some unbelievable opportunities to joint venture with other people that I would never have the opportunity to do beforehand. So Don, what about you?

Dot Boyd 13:36
I agree. And I you know, coming from a direct sales background prior to what I do now, we were using zoom all the time for seminars, you know, education training, so I already had a zoom account, I know how to do zoom, but I had never hosted hosted a zoom. And that was my first big step was to be a host. And so I just started hosting some some groups that normally met in person, and no one was really stepping up at first. And so I thought, Well, okay, I’ll be a leader. And I’ll just step in, and I’ll be a host and see what happens. It’s a little nerve wracking at first when you’re the host, right. And, and so that was good. And I’ve kept some of those going. And but I’ve seen people wax and wane in their attendance and I and I have to change my attitude about that because I see it as a missed opportunity for them. I also see it as a missed opportunity for everyone who does show up. Because if this is a group that used to meet in person, and they were they were committed to that, and now we’re doing it on zoom once a month or something, I think that there’s so much benefit to everyone who attends that when people don’t show up. It’s a disservice to everyone because there’s opportunities there to maybe uplift to connect and collaborate to say You need to know so and so. Right? So I truly believe in the zoom format. I, I too, have collaborated, I’m working on a virtual health fair. I mean, we’ve had to figure out, you know, how are we going to do things different. So a group I’m involved in, we’re doing this health fair next week, and I opt to do a five minute commercial, I could have taken a topic for 15 minutes, but I decided to just put my toe in the water on that one. But I think it’s great. And then earlene connected me with someone, she met one of her zoom groups. And we have a lot in common and a synchronicity there. And he lives about an hour and a half away. And, and he met one of my partners here in town, that can give him work that they can’t do in the Bay Area, maybe time wise. And then now we’re collaborating on something because he sees the work I’m doing. Virtual speaking to in a couple of groups, he says, Well, maybe we could do that with groups I’m in. So now we’ve got, we’ve given ourselves more homework, let’s put it that way. Because it was crunch time, because it’s fall prevention month. So we’re doing that. And so Bill and I have connected up, and it’s because earline met him in the Zoom Room and said, Hey, you indot need to meet. And she facilitated that. And we took it from there. So thank you early in, but that’s how it works. I would never have met Bill, I don’t think any other way.

Janet Fish 16:25
Yeah. So and we’ll get to you early on, because you’re the one who started this conversation. But what just came to my mind was way, back in the old world, at least for me, I spent so much time in the car driving to places and I mean, yeah, 30 minutes to sack and 30 minutes home and, and in the time and the focus that you can have, if you’re gonna do it, right. Because you can’t go do that anymore. I just think while it can be daunting, and while it can be frustrating. And while you can kind of sit there and say, Oh, I can’t meet in person. But if you really start to re channel those energies into what you can do, with the time that we used to spend, I mean, a really good friend of mine said, we used to be so busy and her husband and her and we would just we were running all around doing all sorts of things. Like we’re never going to go back to that now whether that’s true or not. But right now, our intention is to never go back to that level of running around to prioritize what’s really important and to do those things that are really important. And do them smarter, rather than do it. So always an opportunity. So early, and you started us off with the zip, the zooming, and I call it the silver lining and all this zoom. But talk about how that has because you’ve obviously has made an impact in your business.

Earlene Coats 17:48
Yeah, it’s definitely made an impact in my business on many different fronts. One of them is making new connections. And, and as you were talking, and I realized that out of the room, I just came out of the zoom, I just came out of, I have a connection for you now, that will be connecting you back with a nonprofit that I think you need to meet up with as well. And so that’s that continues to be one of those things that is really fun to be able to have those opportunities to make the connections with other people and the numbers of folks that I meet going far and wide. The other thing, and I think that was making mention to it as well. And that was the virtual events. And so all of the new opportunities for virtual events that I’ve ever been able to be a participant in or speaker at, or both, all of those are new opportunities. And the other thing that came out of this was even having done a lot of what you’re talking about, on the facilitation side, I was ahead of the game and early on. And so I actually have added in a business offering in supporting some other individuals and other groups to be able to give them what we call it AWS support, it’s kind of the, the, you know, the Wizard of Oz does all the magic in the background, you know, kind of that level of support doing


Janet Fish 19:21
So, um, I see I think we see a two year old Um, so I actually made a note when you guys were talking talk about virtual speaking engagements and and virtual health fairs. We are there and I know that it’s kind of an emerging because people are trying to figure out how do I pivot from getting in front of a group of people to how do I do that zoom wise or however you do it. So talk a little bit about how that’s emerged, what technologies people are using, how someone who might be looking to get on a stage would kind of fall those opportunities. Talk a little bit about that whoever is whoever knows the most about it, because I don’t know a whole lot about that. And I’m really curious myself early, and you want to start with that, and then we’ll go to dot.

Earlene Coats 20:12
Yeah, I’ll, I’ll talk to it, how do I find it? I land in all sorts of zoom, other zoom rooms and other zoom places. And as I’m making those connections, that’s one of the things that asking for opportunities to be speakers in places, then that more and more of those opportunities are opening themselves up. So it’s evolved through the different networks, I participate in that I either either they are starting to put on events of their own, or they have they know of other events and say here, you need to go check this one out. So that really has been the way that I found the ones that I’ve participated in from a speaker perspective. Others, there’s Facebook is going crazy with a lot of the events, the virtual event invites. And so that has probably been one of the other areas that I’ve seen, a lot of the virtual events come out of is the different places be belonging to different groups within Facebook, and where there are members there that start having other events. That’s, I think the been the other key area that I found the most of the events myself.

Janet Fish 21:25
So before we get to dot, how many zoom networking calls, approximately do get on a week.

Earlene Coats 21:34
Every week is different. On average, some I have some that are monthly groups as opposed to weekly groups. But at a minimum, there is at least three different groups that I participate on a weekly basis. And then beyond that, there are the monthly ones as well. So

Janet Fish 21:56
you’d say probably four or five, every week that you’re getting on. And okay, so to go back to you talking about the virtual, virtual health fair, virtual speaking, because I know you’re doing that next week. Talk a little bit about your experience with that.

Dot Boyd 22:14
So being that I’m in the senior services industry, it’s, we have our challenges, so to speak, because if you think about the seat, let’s just say the senior spectrum from age 65, to 105, right? Some people are really into zoom, and FaceTime, and all of these different things that we all know how to use. And other people, you know, technology is a four letter word, let’s not talk about it. And operating the TV and a landline phone is good enough. And it is it’s plenty for many people until isolation sets in or social distancing. So the challenge in our senior care industry has been how do we reach seniors in their homes, and then their senior communities with education? So next week, the virtual health fair, it’s all about fall prevention, awareness, and how to reduce your risk of falling, that sort of thing? How do we reach them, if they don’t have zoom, or they don’t know how to use it. So that’s questionable, we don’t really know yet how this is all going to work out next week. But we’re willing to all show up and do our part in it. And we’ll see. even getting the word out. Because this is a group where, you know, flyers are a big deal. And, you know, we would be in different senior communities passing out flyers or dropping them off. And, you know, it’s like, well, it’s harder to do that. It’s time consuming. I sure couldn’t go around and do all of that. And then with the one I’m doing, specifically, with a senior community that came out of So You Think about the origins of these things. I started asking different senior communities I know hey, do you have a way? Do you have a TV channel? Do you have a Do you do any zooms do how do you communicate internally, and many of them it’s door to door with a flyer or whatever, you know, in person it isn’t. It’s not like the Marriott with a Marriott channel, right? It goes a Marriott Hotel, there’s a hotel channel, I just thought, Well, hey, some of these places might have that. So that’s not reality. So we’ve had to get creative and one person as I was kind of doing my survey, we talked about it and I spoke in person at her place last year. She’s in and we decided let’s try a zoom. Now we have no idea how it’s gonna work. How many people will show up, but it’ll still be worth the time because we’ll be able to figure out okay, how can we how can we do this so it is more inclusive. But the people who do attend will learn something and will know that we did that. So in my industry again, because it’s senior related, it’s a different story well, and and whether

Janet Fish 25:06
whatever their industry industry is, when you do that zoom presentation, you record that. And that is education that is evergreen. All right, and you got to figure out where, how to get it to the right people. But that can be much more far reaching than dot getting in a car and driving to meet somebody, if you can figure out how to get it from the computer to their, to in front of them, right. But I mean, that’s the beauty of some of these things. And we don’t know exactly, you know what to do, I did that online course, I’d never done an online course now, I haven’t recorded, I haven’t quite figured out what I’m gonna do with it yet. Because I already have an online course. But this is a short little. So it’s, you know, four hours or whatever of zooming. But that’s an opportunity for me to take some content as it would be for you, and get it into the right hands in a way that we might not have thought about doing it before. Exactly. And any thoughts about online speaking and things like that?

Anne Browning 26:11
Well, one of the things that I have done in the past, and I really love to do our workshops, and I kept thinking, well, I don’t I don’t know how you would do a workshop on zoom, to have to do eight hours on zoom, I just thought and, and I did one last Friday, I participated in one I didn’t hate it. And I picked up so many valuable ideas and that it absolutely can be done. And you can be riveted to the person who is presenting. So now I know that it can be done. And and I loved what you said, Janet, I’m just going to go back to what you said about the old world, the old world. And it just reminded me very much of years ago, when people came to this country, they would talk about the old world. I mean, I I had family members who would say young, the old world. And they would say it with fondness. They kind of missed it. I’m sure a lot of us miss the old world. However, the people who were able to thrive in the New World, were people who were willing to do something different, try something different, perhaps it didn’t work. And that’s where I’m in, I’m thinking, Okay, I’ll try this, if it works, great. If it doesn’t work, okay, then I won’t try it again.

Janet Fish 27:32
And I also write content that you’ve

Anne Browning 27:34
asked. And I’m also really doing a lot of back gathering a lot of information gathering because I said I’m in probably three groups during the week, every week, and then some, there’s more on some weeks that was like you are leaving, I have people that I meet with monthly. So I really think this is a it’s definitely a time for all of us to go inside and find that part of us. That’s much bigger

than we think,

yeah, because we are much bigger than we believe ourselves to be. And we are very capable of this. Human beings have great capacity for change. And that’s why we lasted all these years because we do have flexibility and we can live on any continent in the world. Yeah. And so we can definitely do this.

Janet Fish 28:30
So it’s interesting that you talk about that the course. So I know a couple of people who are doing day or multi day workshops on zoom, I too would have thought there’s no way I could sit through it or whatever and one person about both of them that I know that have done it wildly successful. One woman that I know is doing events used to deal with them in person making hundreds of thousands of dollars selling high end programs over zoom. And so it’s it’s possible. And it’s probable. And I think that you’re ahead of the curve, because I don’t think a lot of people are doing it. And that’s always where you want to be ahead of the curve. So will you get less people? Yes. But you’ll be way further when the curve gets there. You’ll be way further down the road and that so I’m super excited about that. I can’t wait to hear more about that. Yeah, so So my question is kind of launching off what Ann said we’re all as humans were built for persistence and we’re built to with joueur hardship. Can you share one thing or the most positive thing that has come out of the last five or six months for you? Why, and it doesn’t have to be business. But I’m just interested in we’ll start with earlene. What’s the best thing that’s come out of this for you?

Earlene Coats 30:12
You know, I think there’s been a lot of really good things. And some of it gets back to the point I mentioned early on is you can choose to be discouraged, or you can choose to dream. And I think through that has opened up great possibilities of new things, I am soon going to be launching a new mastermind, that I was able to create in a on a new platform that came out of somebody else dreaming about what’s possible right now. And so I think that the opportunity to expand and serve more people, because ultimately, it’s about the people I serve, it’s about those people who I can bring value to. And obviously, I get something from that as well. But in the end, it’s that you have a much farther reach when you start being more creative and, and dreaming a little bit bigger. And so I think that that’s the for me, it’s the opportunity to dream and start stepping out and taking advantage of those dreams.

Janet Fish 31:15
Awesome. What about you dot?

Dot Boyd 31:18
For me, it’s been an opportunity to slow down. Because having started a new business and industry, I wasn’t in two and a half years ago, I had been out you know, kind of on a, I don’t know, some days were phonetic, but marketing in person marketing, because people have to know like, and trust you. And with what I do, that’s imperative. So I was out there like, you know, crazy, most nights of the week, Jays marketing, making connections, building relationships. And sometimes it’s exhausting. You know, you always hear me say I’m not 25 anymore, right? And I felt it. And so I don’t miss that. I know a lot of people do miss that. And that, that being with people all the time, I have truly enjoyed slowing down. It doesn’t mean that I don’t have long, busy days, right? Creating, thinking, talking to folks, whatever it is, I’m doing meeting with people, but it’s at a different pace. And so I’ve enjoyed pulling back, because I’m not as outgoing and what what’s the word I’m looking for? I’m not as extroverted as people think I am. When it became you’ll see I often this is one of my tricks. because deep down I’m not an extrovert. But in terms of marketing and building a business, you’ve got to put yourself out there. And what I’ve done for many years, even in my 20s is if I’m at a function, what is an event what is a way I can help and serve and have a role that doesn’t necessarily require me dealing with all the stimuli in the room. So maybe I’m a little bit like you. And when I walk into room, especially when I know a lot of people. I’m like overstimulated my brain is like, Oh my gosh, oh my gosh, oh, my gosh, the device has specific role I play there, that helps channel my direction, and my focus and even my self confidence to do that, and still make my connections and connect people up and all of that without being overwhelmed. So being able to pull back outside of some of that has been okay with me. They know, on an emotional level, I can’t say that it’s necessarily been great business wise. But on an emotional level, hey, I’m okay with that. Well, and the business will come

Janet Fish 33:47
because of the ground that you’re laying right now. The business will come we’ve had to do it differently. But absolutely, to me, it’s building the foundation of the house and then the house will go up. And what about you?

Anne Browning 34:05
I think mine has been as, as I’ve been listening, it’s it’s really not in the area of business. It’s much more in a personal area. And I’ve been able to expand some spiritual practices that I do. That has been amazingly enriching upon this has been a very enriching time in the time that I really needed. If I look back at last year, Around this time, I was in my head thinking, I’m really tired and I’m tired of all of the different things that I’m doing and all of the different responsibilities that I have, and I just need some alone time and and God gave to the whole world we all have. Thanks, man.

You’re welcome. You’re welcome.

But um, it really has done that I and it’s Again, finding out that there’s parts of me, I’m 70. And and then that there’s parts of me that are yet to be explored. It’s a wonderful thing to find out. And that there’s not an end, there’s just a continuation. It’s a, it’s been a great, great time. And the more that I think about this is a great call. Thank you, Janet. That it’s, it’s been a very expansive time. For me. And for Peter, both both of us together, it’s good.

Janet Fish 35:34
That’s awesome. For me, I would say it’s a little bit of everything that you said, the slowing down a little bit. Maybe a lot of that. I came out of this, when it started, I was like, I’m gonna run a marathon, like I’m gonna, I’m racing. And then I, you know, three weeks into it, I was like, well, I can’t keep up this pace. So, so I went through that. So I learned a lot about myself in this. And I would say, from a business perspective, and maybe not just business, but it’s given me the ability to focus on a couple of things that I want to get accomplished. You know, I, you know, I have this podcast, obviously, we’re on it. But I’ve been able to spend some really conscious time figuring out what is that going to look like? And what do I want to do with it? And before I was just running, run, run, run, never slowing down to say, Where do you want to go? You just run? And so that’s been a big thing for me, is to be able to take some time off, be kind to myself, but also focus on where do I Where do I want to go? And how do I want to spend my time? All right, um, I want to explore a little bit about when we have our challenges, we all have them, the role of how you get out of it, like reaching out or, for me, I reach out to friends. I’ve been really lucky in that. And you guys have all been part of it. You know, we have allowed ourselves to have get togethers, the four of us or five of us in the backyard, socially distancing, whatever. I mean, I’ve had, I have a great support organization, group, friends, family, that have allowed me to have my days and come out of it. And not just personally but business wise. So I’m just curious, some of your coping mechanisms of those are the words you want to use, or just how what do you do when you’re having one of those days? And how do you get yourself out of it as quickly as possible? Or do there’s also something to be said, Of languishing in it for as much time as you need to? Hopefully never more than 24 hours? But, but embracing that? And then how do you pivot from it? Or how do you get around it? And so, earlier, we start with you again, because you’re shaking your head? Like, yes, I want to answer that question.

Earlene Coats 38:04
Yeah, I Well, there were several things that you’re talking that came to mind. The very first is definitely there have been a number of those opportunities for social distance outings. But the other thing that I and I’ve been teaching this to a number of people is looking at as you’ve got those, that funk or that obstacle or whatever it is that is causing you to be in that place, is to slow down, take a deep breath. And then look at all of the things you’re grateful for, in that moment. focusing on the things you’re grateful for, then raises your spirit immensely, rather quickly. And it does then allow you to start looking at now where do I go with this? How do I shift and how do I take this how do I overcome this obstacle and move forward with it as opposed to sitting there and, and not to say that there haven’t been those days that it’s just frustrating and ready to take an extra nap, but in general, it is to remember to just pause take a breath and look at all those things that I am grateful for all of those amazing things that are happening around me and and if it’s a matter of going outside and seeing a bird fly by then sometimes that’s a really easy way to pick any spirit up is to go out and explore and experience a little bit of the nature that’s all around us.

Janet Fish 39:33
Well, and I suspect that you’ve also got some great just being with your family, although sometimes it may be a little hectic to say put it lightly. But I mean just to see those kids growing up and changing and and talk about being grateful. Yeah, I know we’ve got three grandkids and just that’s just got to be a sight to hold. I have two great nieces that are two ish two and a half and just seeing is just in watching them grow is, I can’t think of anything better than that. So

Earlene Coats 40:05
that’s Yeah, and I absolutely agree and, and I’m very blessed to be able to be there and around them on a day in and day out basis, you know, most days. Yeah. And obviously, we all have our days that you need to just even pull away from some of that chaos that comes with those. But, you know, as we saw earlier, we have the incomes the two year old and whatever, random time and I sometimes actually lock the door, but I didn’t remember to do that this time. And he then goes into meltdown in the hallway, but at least he’s not been disrupting us.

Janet Fish 40:38
Well, and we are, we are a representation of real life here. So. So there you have it got what about you?

Dot Boyd 40:48
You know, I, I tend to be internal, right, I do, I spend a lot of time with myself, I always have and growing up, I was one of those kids would be happy in my room for hours on end. And you know, it wasn’t normal. And, and other, you know, my sister would have this great social life, and I’m happy in my little dream imaginary world, you know, in my room, so I kind of balanced that in my life. So I tend to internalize a lot of things. And then if I’m really angry, then I’ve got to get it out. And you know, might share it with my husband, I might talk with a colleague, I’ll check in with, you know, close family members, friends, you know, just depends. Sometimes, for me, it’s just a matter of even texting with someone that I’ve, you know, close to me that I haven’t talked with in a while, just just even that reach out. You know, definitely being in our garden. I mean, you know, my husband and all his beautiful tropical flowers, I mean, I can see some of them from our kitchen window, kind of sideways. And there’s this little hummingbird feeder, and there’s this voracious Hummingbird out there every morning. So you know, sometimes just staring out the window, if it’s a key out there, or going outside and looking to see what’s blooming or picking our fruit and, and I guess one of the things for me, I know I’ve known it for years is cooking, creating something in the kitchen. Whatever it might be, is really therapeutic. And in the in this in the wintertime, I tend to do a lot of cooking, I might have two crock pots going on at once, like once a soup ones do not know we’re gonna eat it all that day, but it’s just my creative way. And then you know, I’ll freeze things. So I kind of a variety of things, depending on you know, what is my mood? Am I sad? Am I worried? Am I anxious? Am I angry? You know, what’s going on? You know, it just kind of depends.

Janet Fish 42:48
How about you and

Anne Browning 42:50
I’m with, I think I’m with God, it just really depends. So I have those people that I know are very supportive. I live with one and but I think also just moving a lot of times when I think oh, I’m just this way, and it’s like, well then just get up and go for a walk or play with a dog or do vacuum the house or just move around a little bit. Because I’m instead of just sitting and creating. I’m also like to cook and create but but writing I love to write so it’s creating stories or situations or workshops. I’m thinking of taking up the ukulele. Yeah, Peter has borrowed a ukulele from some buddies playing around with it. And it’s not that it’s not like a guitar though, the frets aren’t as hard. So that’ll be a new thing to take up. So, um, a lot of it depends. And then, again, these spiritual practices in the morning that If, on the days that I don’t do them, my day isn’t the same on the days that I do. So I’m, and I’m lucky, I think we all all of us here on this column. So whoever is listening to this may not have this ability to have an outside space to be able to see the sun come up, and birds chirping. And

so I would encourage people who do not have

that to get outside and my granddaughter lives in New York. So she gets out and gets where there’s trees and she gets

into a park.

And so she’s able to get out into that type of a situation. Because that is that changes moves that change.

Janet Fish 44:40
It does. I’m lucky I play golf once a week. Yep. And I go out and hit balls. And you know, it’s one of the few things you can do during this and I’ve been super, super blessed with that. So I can go I could talk to you guys forever. I have one other question. And then and I kind of mentioned Would you be willing to take us Through a short kind of meditation? Sure. Okay, so I don’t want. If not, that’s fine, but I thought it would be nice thing. Alright, so my last question is what it is. So you know, I’m a business coach, and I’ve talked to clients who are waiting it out. Right? I don’t really know what that means, because waiting it out is like, Okay, 2022. But that’s their thought process. Like we’re just gonna hunker down until, you know, things get back to normal. And so I’m just interested, we’ll start with and then we’ll have dot and then we’ll go to earline. Just some short, like, what’s your advice for people who their, their thought pattern is, I’m going to wait till things come back, or I’m going to I’m going to pause or I’m going to wait or I’m not going to engage

Anne Browning 45:48
Well, at what I’d like them to then think about are the people who said, Oh, this electricity thing is never gonna really last or

televator man that will last,

they’ll come back to radio sooner or later. And what what’s the very worst thing that can happen? You do something different. And for some reason, magical reason things go back. Things don’t go back. Nothing ever goes back.


they’ve learned some new skills. That would be the worst thing that could happen this if they get up move, try something new. And if it doesn’t work, try something else. No.

I would say that do not sit around and wait. Yeah.

Janet Fish 46:30
Not what about you?

Dot Boyd 46:32
Well, yeah, I would say if somebody is an entrepreneur, and they were passionate about what they were doing, right, whatever, whatever it is, whatever product service, whatever it is they have and share with the world, you know, does the world need what they have? Question number one, do people need what you have? And if that answer is yes, then Okay, then why would you sequester yourself inside and not let anybody know that you have what the world may need? Right? So I think it is. But it would be easy to be depressed and think Well, how do I reach people? Or what on earth do I do? You know, especially people with brick and mortar businesses who had to, you know, walk away from those maybe, um, I think, first of all, if, if there’s value to what they were offering, before, there still is. And they have to know that. And if they don’t know that, or feel very unsure, then they need to collaborate with a good friend, another entrepreneur, hey, they need to call you, Janet, you know, you’re an entrepreneurial coach, and really get some, you know, some some, like a kick in the butt, you know, the little, you know, prod and prod day, like, Hey, you know, don’t forget who you are and what gifts you have. So I think it’s important to come from that place of value. I also think, if somebody can handle it financially, I don’t know anybody who can, but if they are situated in such a way, that their business, the income from that business, isn’t that critical for the moment, for some reason, and they want to look at other things that they’ve wanted to do. They’ve never had time to do or to learn? great time to do that. Maybe they’ll discover something about themselves and say, you know, what, I really want to go in this direction, I think, and you’ve talked about that, and even early, right, it’s a time to kind of check in with yourself and say, Hey, who am I now, who do I want to be? And I think that there’s opportunity. Again, though, a person has to quiet down and kind of be okay, with the uncomfortable and the unknown future, nobody can predict the future. All we know, is it doesn’t look like it did six months, what

Janet Fish 48:52
and I’m starting to see and I will predict, but I’m starting to see people come to the realization that the job that they had, is not coming back. Or if it does come back, it’s going to be so long from now that it’s not feasible for them to wait and for it for the job to come back. So I actually think from my business, it’s an awesome opportunity to find a whole bunch of new clients who are saying, I had a job. Now I need to create a company or I need to create revenue, I need to find something and sell it. And I don’t know what the heck to do. Great. Call me because I can tell you exactly what to do, right. I mean, that’s what I do for a living. So I think there’s a huge opportunity for someone like me, so I’m being a little self centered in this, but I really think that there’s gonna be a ton of people who come to the realization that their jobs aren’t coming back, and they’ve got to figure out what they’re gonna do next. So thanks for letting interject that too early. What about you?

Earlene Coats 49:51
Well, and I agree with all this. Also, I know that we’re not going to come back to normal and you can use Wait and be behind everybody else, or you can choose to use this as a time to start reading. And getting back to some of the point that you’re making.if. It’s their passion. Someone else raised it this way. And it caused me to pause. If it’s your passion is for gifting, and you’re not offering that to the world who desperately needs it, then consider, are you being selfish? Because you allowed yourself to allow fear to hold you back. And I think that when you look at it from that perspective, then suddenly that gives a different slant, at least for some of us, like, okay, I don’t want to be considered selfish. So yeah, I don’t want to be in that camp that’s not offering this to the world who desperately needs that. And that would be the question that I would offer for anyone who’s in that place. And, you know, I definitely know that right now a big area of focus for me is helping a lot of those moms who are in the crazy place of dealing with still managing a job, kids distance learning at home, maybe two in our household, three people working from home, while two kids are on, on zoom for their calls, and they’re ready to do something different. They’re ready to make a change in their life. And they are finally in that place of realizing that this can be their opportunity to do that, as opposed to continue to exist like they have and get from what has been normal and chaotic to a place that is far more calm, and really more nourishing for themselves, their kids, their husbands, their family, everyone and it supports them even developing even more independence and, and confidence for their kids as opposed to that frazzle look that mom has that their feeds into everybody else in the whole household.

Janet Fish 52:04
Absolutely. Awesome. People certainly do need what you have. All right, and you want to start us on a short meditation.

Anne Browning 52:13
Okay, so go ahead and wherever you are,

if it’s safe for you to close your eyes, allow your eyes to gently close.

And as they do begin to take a deep breath in

through your nose.

begin to feel the air as it enters your lungs

as it warms your throat

and with your next breath, I’m going to count you as you breathe in 234 now hold 234 and exhale. 23456. And let’s do that one more time. Inhale 234 and home 234 an exhale 23456 and allow that sense of calm that is deep within you. Find that part of you.

It’s there.

Allow that calm to begin to permeate every cell of your body.

Every cell is calm.

Every cell is well.

Every cell is nourished.

Continue to focus on your breath.

Allow yourself to begin to believe that deep within you

is a beautiful pool of calm energy.

A place of safety

and a place of creativity that you can go to at any time.

All you need to do is to take a deep breath.

Allow yourself to enter the quiet and the stillness of this time

and gaze at their bond.

Allow yourself to sit here for as long as sleepy.

Now all you need to do is touch your heart. And you can go there immediately with a deep breath.

And an exhale.

For now, if you’re ready, you can stay there or open your eyes.

Janet Fish 55:32
No, it’s wonderful. I am. Thank you. You’re welcome. Like feeling this whole calm come over me. It’s so awesome. All right, well, finally, it is just a couple of, I guess administrative things, you guys are awesome, I’m going to ask you. Or I’m going to put together some contact information and specialty about what you guys do. And we’ll put that in the show notes. So if anybody wants to contact you guys, to learn more about what you do, that’ll be in their special note, the links will be there to earlene and dot have been on the podcast. So go and listen to their episode, trying to get in on the podcast, but she’s been eluding me. So I’m still working on. I did have her husband Pete, though, on the on the podcast. And then one final thing. dot you sent this great article. It’s called, and I will put a link to it in the show notes. It’s called, if you’re already dreading winter, here are some small things to prepare now. And there were just some great little tips in there. So thank you for finding that. And I’m going to put a link to that in the show notes, because some of the things I’ve thought about doing but there’s some great ideas in there. So any final thoughts that anybody has, before we make we wrap this up this afternoon?

Anne Browning 56:54
I would thank you for posting this.

Janet. It’s been,

you know, it’s kind of I thought, Oh, come on, and it’ll help the the podcast audience, but really, it’s helped me so

Janet Fish 57:05
maybe I kind of did it selfishly.

Dot Boyd 57:07
Yeah, it’s been great. It’s really wonderful. I would like to just for listeners, you know, everyone has their own inner workings, their own their own inner wiring, and how they cope with, you know, a pandemic, right. I mean, most of us have never been through this before. And I think it’s important to know who you are, and like how you respond, and how to be kind to yourself. I remind myself sometimes that as a human being, and as an entrepreneur, and as a wife, and a, you know, a sister and a neighbor that, you know, things may not be as easy as they were before on some days, right? And so I try, I really do remind myself, it’s okay, you know, maybe I need to lower my expectations here. And they’re about reality. So if that helps anyone, I think, you know, as I said, in my newsletter to last week, you know, if you’re going to be kind to others, you really do have to be kind to yourself. And we as women have a tendency maybe to put others first and ourselves last, that whole adage about, you’ve got to put your own oxygen mask on first. So that you can help others I think that’s never been more important than as we go into the winter months, and the shorter days and the change in the weather. And through this whole pandemic, and ever comes next. So I just want to put that out there too, you know, yeah. Because I have to remind myself of that.

Janet Fish 58:45
Well, and I would like to kind of wrap it up. And I’ll give Arlene, the last, the last comment, but I want to go back to what you’ve said a number of times earlene. And kind of leave us with the thought of you can deal with it in the way that you deal with it. Or you can dream. And like I just I got goosebumps right now, just with the thought of you can look at it as what’s happening to you. And, or you can look at it as an opportunity to dream something that you’ve never even considered. Yeah. And I think that’s just a fabulous thought. So thank you ladies, thank you so much. I appreciate you so much. You guys are wonderful. And I appreciate your thoughts and your time and I guarantee my listeners will feel the same. Have a great rest of your day.

Ben 59:40
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